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	tcrichard ANet Staff (25 Posts) 7/22/2001 12:42:22 AM	Anyone know anything good about BC?

	deepu_s Newbie (6 Posts) 7/22/2001 2:16:48 AM	Blackcomb is the planned successor to Windows XP. Changes include a new kernel, and a new partition. The partition will be based on FAT64. It is rumored the Blackcomb will be internet-based. There is nothing else because it is only been released to internal Microsoft testers as alpha builds.

	CP² ANet Staff (57 Posts) 7/22/2001 2:33:19 AM	All I have to say is...no HTML interfaces! HTML is nice--I like it plenty...but using a real interface(aka MFC etc etc) is a bit faster, and it just seems more logical to use the right tool for the right job. HTML has a place doing webpages...not running my computer. FAT64? Hrm. I thought the shift was towards NTFS. Oh well.

	Michael Senior Poster (297 Posts) 7/22/2001 3:49:27 AM	I don't think they'll go to FAT64, since the FAT file system offers NO security, and has serious limitations. However, you never know. They could upgrade it extensively.

	CP² ANet Staff (57 Posts) 7/22/2001 4:32:00 AM	--but then it wouldn't be FAT anymore...it'd be NTFS haha.

	PacificHurricane Newbie (91 Posts) 7/22/2001 8:37:02 AM	XML integrated into the Windows Shell...mark my words. lol ;-)

	Michael Senior Poster (297 Posts) 7/22/2001 1:21:43 PM	They already have a lot of HTML in it, for the web view.

	deepu_s Newbie (6 Posts) 7/22/2001 8:11:42 PM	First of all, everything is rumors, so nobody knows for sure that the interface is internet based. Second of all, FAT does have its advantages over NTFS. FAT is a lot more faster when it comes to reading and writing data. NTFS is not the definite path for MS's software. Most people think that Windows XP is only for MTFS but it also is for FAT32. That means that FAT is not being phased out.

	Michael Senior Poster (297 Posts) 7/22/2001 10:32:26 PM	I can say, at least, that I don't want HTML running my system.

	Jeff G Newbie (1 Posts) 7/23/2001 9:34:56 AM	Well if any of you even think FAT 64 exists your crazy!!!! Microsoft most likely is going make Blackcomb bot FAT 32 maybe and NTFS definatly You may not be aware of this but Blackcomb will be based only on 32 bit platform !!! And, it very likely Microsoft will use a diffrent name to designated the next version of it 64 bit operating system. It appears the microsoft is working on a 3D GUI But that may not be include in Blackcomb If there is one thing for sure that will be included it will be XML support in the GUI this is already plan in the .Net intergradition. It is also very likly that you will not see Blackcomb before 2003.You can bet it will have Direct X 10 and it will have support for serial ATA and a new form of AGP not yet annouced. It will also incule a new voice control system call Speech.Net which may be add to Windows XP as a add in feature.

	Michael Senior Poster (297 Posts) 7/23/2001 2:51:09 PM	Of course it'll be 32 bit. The Itanium costs $4,000 and is only for high end servers. Therefore, the 64 bit version of Windows will probably never be used on desktops.

	RedAvenger Master Poster (1148 Posts) 7/23/2001 4:07:01 PM	I wouldn't go so far as to say that Windows on the desktop will never be 64 bit. Thats just the nature of things. I don't think it will be too long before we are at 128 bit Windows. Can you imagine that CPU? Sweeeeeeet.

	Michael Senior Poster (297 Posts) 7/23/2001 4:08:12 PM	I was quoting someone from Intel, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did in a few years.

	tcrichard ANet Staff (25 Posts) 7/24/2001 8:02:09 PM	oh man! Now they changed it to Longhorn just after I had decided to start calling it "BC," and to try to get everyone else in the industry to follow:-) Oh well, any one for LH?? nah...

	RedAvenger Master Poster (1148 Posts) 7/25/2001 1:58:59 AM	TEXAS TEXAS TEXAS!!! Thats an awesome codename. And you know what Texas is going to win the National Championship this year. You heard it here first.

	PacificHurricane Newbie (91 Posts) 7/28/2001 8:29:36 PM	Well, Blackcomb is still on the horizon. Longhorn is just an interim step on the way. P.S. Longhorn is a saloon at the base of Whistler Mountain, and any name association with Texas is off base. :)

	jbrancela Newbie (45 Posts) 8/26/2001 1:31:51 PM	One of my friends already got accepted into the Microsoft Windows: Codename Blackcomb beta test. so i dunno what is going on! confusing !

	RedAvenger Master Poster (1148 Posts) 8/26/2001 7:49:09 PM	Pacific, whatever . . . We all know it's named after the mighty Texas Longhorns. We are doing a beta test for MS right now at UT. And their guy even said it was being name after Texas. So any name association with the "longhorn saloon" is off base. :)

	KnightHawk Senior Poster (284 Posts) 8/28/2001 1:07:43 PM	Fat64..lol Longhorn may still have support for fat32\ntfs5.1 Blackcomb will have a file system run by a kernel sql like engine.

	RedAvenger Master Poster (1148 Posts) 9/16/2001 12:04:59 PM	Is that for real? I read the article on the register about it but I am not sure that it will actually work in reality. Is this something that MS is actually doing or some imaginary made up hoopla?

	Frogboy Newbie (5 Posts) 10/24/2001 1:30:59 AM	Yea, the SQL engine would be incredible for a file system. It would completley revolutionize how we use PCs once third parties start creating programs that use it. Imagine Information Environments! No more searching the whole drive to find that JPEG you made a week ago. ;)

	cnl Newbie (1 Posts) 11/28/2001 5:38:52 PM	Woohoo. SQL database as a filesystem. Been done before. I'll admit, though, that it'll be nice to have it on the Windows platform - finally. To get a glimpse of how useful it is, load up some MP3's or WMA files onto your drive and take a look at the details view under Explorer. Yup, you've got your bitrate, artist, title, etc. Now, sure, that's not part of the filesystem - but you know what? It could be. That's just one of the many ways that this could lead. There's more to it, though, than just meta-information. Just imagine the possibilities. :) I can definately see something like this coming for Blackcomb. For Longhorn, though? I highly doubt it - it's a major undertaking, and will take a long time to complete. Won't show up in what Microsoft is calling an "interim" release. And I wouldn't quite dis 64-bit desktop systems. Sure, the Intel stuff is expensive, right now - it'll come down in price, eventually. Those folks that are used to computing on 64-bit systems (UltraSPARC II/III, PA-RISC, Alpha) will definately have 64-bit desktops. Despite what most people think, having a 64-bit workstation is vitally important for a large number of tasks. It's only a matter of time before that happens with home PCs as well - sure, it's several years out - but it will happen. Maybe even in time for Blackcomb. All in all, there's a lot of stuff to look forward to. Especially for the folks that have used similar features on other operating systems for years, but have a vital need to use the Windows platform.

	Chadder007 Newbie (51 Posts) 7/25/2002 2:13:33 PM	No 64-bit desktops soon??.....apparently someone here hasn't heard of AMD's Opteron. Which BTW is coming out later this year and is x86-64bit based. It will support Windows XP-64 which will come out around the same time.

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:24:49 PM	3D GUI? How in heck would you do that with a 2D mouse? Is Blackcomb going ot be virtual reality??

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:29:09 PM	<sarcasm> Blackcomb is going to use HTML 3.2 in the kernal, along with basic Javascripting. The GUI will be very much like Windows 2.0. It will be VERY secure...much like Windows 98 on a LAN with no firewall, everything shared with no passwords, and everyone knows the IP address. </sarcasm> Wait, I'm describing Linux and old versions of the Mac OS. Sorry... This post was last edited by 2ColdScorpio on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 22:31.

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:30:09 PM	Actually, I heard Microsoft is currently developing a "3D mouse." They're being awful hush-hush about how it works, but they already had 2 patents on it when I last checked the dbase. This post was last edited by shroudofturin on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 23:12.

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:33:16 PM	A 3D mouse? How in hades will THAT work? It is a floating ball or soemthing? This post was last edited by 2ColdScorpio on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 22:33.

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:38:21 PM	You may not be very far off the mark, but I don't think it's a physical ball. The information I've gotten is that the main problem in development now is the laser beams--they require a lot of energy, and if Microsoft wants to continue with this wireless craze they'll have to make them a little more efficient, because batteries won't last long enough. You didn't hear that from me.

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:47:30 PM	So...its a laser you hold in the air? Or is it a little orb? Oh, I know! Its controled telepathically! As for batteries...why not use a quantum geneator?

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:53:33 PM	A laser you hold in the air would be just like a laser pointer, which operates on a 2D surface--obviously this isn't the answer. An orb wouldn't be marketable at this point because it would just look too strange to be useful. I saw some concept art of an orb-mouse at a trade show once, but the guy told me nothing would ever come of it. They've tried telepathic computer controls before, but they found that most people don't have the concentration span necessary to use them. I don't think Microsoft has developed a quantum generator. I'd think they'd be working on quantum processors. The main thing about this new interface device will be ergonomics--it has to work in the contemporary office environment, or it will never gain widespread acceptance. That's one of the other major hurdles they're having to overcome.

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/16/2002 11:57:34 PM	Ergonomics is a lot of bull. If people would just type correctly, we wouldnt have a problem. Why should I have to get screwed up hard- and software because everyone else types wrong and gets carpel tunnel?

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/17/2002 12:03:36 AM	You shouldn't say that. I know a man who had to have three fingers amputated because of bad ergonomics. This same man was six foot four, and because he spent so much time at his computer, hard at work, never worrying about ergonomics, he now measures about 5'11". The doctor had to fuse several of his vertebrae, too. This post was last edited by shroudofturin on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 23:04.

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/17/2002 12:06:20 AM	Good God man! How many hours do you people work???

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/17/2002 12:10:07 AM	Depends on the project timeframe, really; on how much work has to be done and by when. I've known guys penalized for not taking vacation days, when guys on the same project were penalized for not meeting their objectives. This particular guy does hardly any work now. He can't even use a mouse anymore--not enough fingers. He still does a little management on a project for voice commands, etc., interfaces for disabled people. He's in a wheelchair most of the time now, a real sad sight. Used to be top dog in the company basketball league, too. This post was last edited by shroudofturin on Monday, September 16, 2002 at 23:21.

	phantam Newbie (11 Posts) 9/17/2002 11:33:44 PM	What the hell are u guys talking about? Blackcomb is Longhorns successor and blackcomb is still in planning NOT internal alpha. Blackcomb will be the final element to get the .net framework in use it will be completly restructed and redesigned using a YUKON filesystem some say this is fat64 which it isnt. Most of the features you people are discussin are longhorn's features such as the d3d desktop, please get the facts straight blackcomb's features havent even been released yet were talking a OS that isnt even scheduled for 8+ years release time.

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/18/2002 1:39:47 AM	A D3D desktop isn't really that great a leap forward. Heck, Windows XP requires decent D3D drivers etc. to run already. What do I mean? In order to get the freakin' thing to run I had to update my video drivers TWICE.

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/18/2002 1:42:07 AM	[Note: the following message may be slightly sarcastic...] Heck, Blackcomb is slated for 8 years from now, eh? Why bother codenaming it already. We'd better be careful what rumors we let slip in here--they might be looking for ideas. You dummies shut up about that FAT64 business, 'cause I don't wanna see it on my next major OS! And that 4000 dollar 64 Bit Processor? don't EVER mention that again, or Intel will be hiking their prices even more!

	shroudofturin Newbie (10 Posts) 9/18/2002 2:02:29 AM	HEY BIG MIKE!! As long as you're still planning, a few suggestions I'd like to make... DON'T make the product 'internet based.' Our government is already communist enough without your help. DON'T keep tinkering with product activation. The idea has gone more than far enough, thank you. It works fine now, but only because people whined and complained about it. Must I mention the communists again? DON'T double system requirements again for no apparent reason. If my computer can run Unreal Tournament at high rez it oughta be able to handle the danged OS it runs on! DON'T screw up backwards compatibility this time around. The compatibility features in XP are nice, except that if a game won't run in XP's normal mode it probably won't run in any of the compatibility modes. DON'T discriminate against us poor end[l]users who don't have the cash for the pro version. If you're going to make something pro only, make it something that the average joe has no use for. Meaning you're going to have to come up with some new features, because the only pro only crud last time around was all the cool stuff and the rest of us got stuck with the leftovers. DON'T give me links to anything stupid that I'll have to delete. Aka any internet service signups or training videos. If I'm dumb, you should have some way to find out during install. ESPECIALLY not AOL. DO give us some decent way to change/edit themes. If you're going to have themse, they should be at least as customizable as the old GUI (sans all those nice computer-crashing cracks out there now). DO provide some decent games. I know that's our job as users, but really it takes time to install all the stuff on a new computer/OS. More importantly, one stinkin' pinball machine and a few different patterns on the back of your solitaire cards DO NOT CUT IT IN THE MODERN WORLD. DO think about a little gift. Something free goes a long way. A few months' free internet would be nice. ON THE OTHER HAND, if I see you trying to integrate MSN Explorer again, heads will roll. That stupid butterfly needs to die BAD, 'cause that's all he ever did when I tried to run him. Besides, MSN Explorer's look is awfully intrusive, and it doesn't go well with every webpage. You can't expect us to spend ALL our time on your websites. WATCH THAT PRICE TAG! Why are we paying so much money for one little CD, after all? I mean, especially back in the good ol' days--we paid 90 bucks for an update from 95 to 98 and all you really changed was the last character in the name! CLIPPY MUST DIE! If I want clippy's help, I'll ask for it. And that goes for his pals, too. ONE GOOD THING ABOUT LINUX: multiple GUIs. Try it. Heck, we might even like it. NETSCRAP BELONGS ON THE SCRAP HEAP. Don't give in. Kill 'em all the way. When Blackcomb comes out, ship us IE 8 or 9 free of charge. As for MSN Explorer? See above. Above all, there are 2 final rules: 1. The customer is always right. 2. If you think you're smarter than us, see rule number one and then skip down to rule number three 3. If you don't like it you can [censored.] Put together the last characters of my sentences and you'll get a hidden message specially intended for you software developers who don't believe in rule numero uno. Start on the next sentence. Apples are good. Prunes are not good! I like apples. I do not like prunes. This sentence ends in a blank space Apples are very good. Prunes are not very good. Prunes are yucky! And I am finished.

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 9/26/2002 3:31:09 AM	QUOTE: Originally Posted by shroudofturin: HEY BIG MIKE!! As long as you're still planning, a few suggestions I'd like to make... DON'T make the product 'internet based.' Our government is already communist enough without your help. DON'T keep tinkering with product activation. The idea has gone more than far enough, thank you. It works fine now, but only because people whined and complained about it. Must I mention the communists again? DON'T double system requirements again for no apparent reason. If my computer can run Unreal Tournament at high rez it oughta be able to handle the danged OS it runs on! DON'T screw up backwards compatibility this time around. The compatibility features in XP are nice, except that if a game won't run in XP's normal mode it probably won't run in any of the compatibility modes. DON'T discriminate against us poor end[l]users who don't have the cash for the pro version. If you're going to make something pro only, make it something that the average joe has no use for. Meaning you're going to have to come up with some new features, because the only pro only crud last time around was all the cool stuff and the rest of us got stuck with the leftovers. DON'T give me links to anything stupid that I'll have to delete. Aka any internet service signups or training videos. If I'm dumb, you should have some way to find out during install. ESPECIALLY not AOL. DO give us some decent way to change/edit themes. If you're going to have themse, they should be at least as customizable as the old GUI (sans all those nice computer-crashing cracks out there now). DO provide some decent games. I know that's our job as users, but really it takes time to install all the stuff on a new computer/OS. More importantly, one stinkin' pinball machine and a few different patterns on the back of your solitaire cards DO NOT CUT IT IN THE MODERN WORLD. DO think about a little gift. Something free goes a long way. A few months' free internet would be nice. ON THE OTHER HAND, if I see you trying to integrate MSN Explorer again, heads will roll. That stupid butterfly needs to die BAD, 'cause that's all he ever did when I tried to run him. Besides, MSN Explorer's look is awfully intrusive, and it doesn't go well with every webpage. You can't expect us to spend ALL our time on your websites. WATCH THAT PRICE TAG! Why are we paying so much money for one little CD, after all? I mean, especially back in the good ol' days--we paid 90 bucks for an update from 95 to 98 and all you really changed was the last character in the name! CLIPPY MUST DIE! If I want clippy's help, I'll ask for it. And that goes for his pals, too. ONE GOOD THING ABOUT LINUX: multiple GUIs. Try it. Heck, we might even like it. NETSCRAP BELONGS ON THE SCRAP HEAP. Don't give in. Kill 'em all the way. When Blackcomb comes out, ship us IE 8 or 9 free of charge. As for MSN Explorer? See above. Above all, there are 2 final rules: 1. The customer is always right. 2. If you think you're smarter than us, see rule number one and then skip down to rule number three 3. If you don't like it you can [censored.] Put together the last characters of my sentences and you'll get a hidden message specially intended for you software developers who don't believe in rule numero uno. Start on the next sentence. Apples are good. Prunes are not good! I like apples. I do not like prunes. This sentence ends in a blank space Apples are very good. Prunes are not very good. Prunes are yucky! And I am finished. If you didn't figure it out, those last letters for that hidden message: .!.. ..!. In other words, he's giving yo uthe double bird.

	MicrosoftDEV Newbie (1 Posts) 10/23/2002 10:27:18 AM	QUOTE: Originally Posted by jbrancela: One of my friends already got accepted into the Microsoft Windows: Codename Blackcomb beta test. so i dunno what is going on! confusing ! Please let me reply on this. There is no possible way, anybody got accepted for a BlackComb alpha beta test. BlackComb has a long way to go before any beta relations will be informed about any action taken by the windowsBeta team. So please don't get these rumours into the world. One hinbleepch out for Windows Longhorn. Alpha releases have been tested and reviews can be found on the internet! ---------------------------------------------- Brian Valentine

	eldoen Senior Poster (306 Posts) 10/26/2002 12:21:10 AM	QUOTE: Originally Posted by MicrosoftDEV: QUOTE: Originally Posted by jbrancela: One of my friends already got accepted into the Microsoft Windows: Codename Blackcomb beta test. so i dunno what is going on! confusing ! Please let me reply on this. There is no possible way, anybody got accepted for a BlackComb alpha beta test. BlackComb has a long way to go before any beta relations will be informed about any action taken by the windowsBeta team. So please don't get these rumours into the world. One hinbleepch out for Windows Longhorn. Alpha releases have been tested and reviews can be found on the internet! Wow we got the Brian Valentine to reply in our group Now ponders if we can get more info about Avalon, and the Managed Platform SDK. The WinFS. And how do we get on the beta for Longhorn, Yukon and the VS.net for Yukon El

	Tripwire Newbie (57 Posts) 10/26/2002 5:38:35 PM	Wow, a MS developer confirmed the validity of these Longhorn shots and videos. Nice. Assuming this is really Brian Valentine.

	z00ker Senior Poster (313 Posts) 10/29/2002 12:20:33 PM	QUOTE: Originally Posted by Tripwire: Wow, a MS developer confirmed the validity of these Longhorn shots and videos. Nice. Assuming this is really Brian Valentine. I'm not so quick to make that assumption... According to his profile he's 29 and in the Atlantic time zone... (kinda far from Redmond, if you ask me). The math doesn't work unless he got his CS degree when he was 12... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/valentine/default.asp Further, I doubt he would bother obscuring anything in such a post, and tend to believe he would be a bit more careful about his grammar and sentence structure. blah... Jeff

	2ColdScorpio Newbie (10 Posts) 2/28/2003 10:18:00 PM	Months have passed since I posted here and lots of things have happened. Longhorn has gone from being a small update to XP to being the next major OS release, becoming what Blackcomb was once going to be. Longhorn will feature aq new file system based on SQL databases, a much better interface that will feature 3D elements, and several other improvements. Blackcomb is now the name for the successor to 2003 Server.

	Mr. Dee Master Poster (3468 Posts) 7/3/2004 4:18:59 PM	QUOTE: Originally Posted by 2ColdScorpio: Months have passed since I posted here and lots of things have happened. Longhorn has gone from being a small update to XP to being the next major OS release, becoming what Blackcomb was once going to be. Longhorn will feature aq new file system based on SQL databases, a much better interface that will feature 3D elements, and several other improvements. Blackcomb is now the name for the successor to 2003 Server. Blackcomb is not coming out until 2010 or 2011.